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robmiller
16-09-2007, 02:29
YOU TWAT, FOR A SEC I THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD....i JUST CAME OUT OF COLLIN MACRAE THREAD WHEN I SAW THIS...NOT FUNNY:mad::mad::mad::mad:
if i give you a banana will you calm down
LeChuck Edit : This is what it all stemmed from. Can you keep any more talk about it in this thread please?
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 02:36
if i give you a banana will you calm down
Oi, what do you mean, how do you mean that?
Wildcard
16-09-2007, 03:24
if i give you a banana will you calm down
That's racist. :mad:
robmiller
16-09-2007, 03:36
That's racist. :mad:
if i give you a banana will you calm down
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 07:07
It has very definite racist overtones to use phrases like "A black", in my opinion.
lol are you serious.
He is a black.
I am a white.
Please leave your PC baggage at the door when you enter this forum, kthx :stir:
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 07:08
Oh and as for the OP, well it is the weekend and he is a grown man with a family and a life so you never know, he might have better things to do :eek:
(unlike myself :D)
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 09:52
Im my opinion we touch and many subjects and sometimes we draw a very fine line. As a group we do well at self moderation and keep all our posts within good logic and reason [most of the time]
Stating you will give a self proclaimed black member a banana to calm down at the very least is extremely fucking rude if not racist. Fuck off Guybrush, are you trying to get a reaction?
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 09:54
Oh and as for the OP, well it is the weekend and he is a grown man with a family and a life so you never know, he might have better things to do :eek:
(unlike myself :D)
That didnt actually cross my mind, dam people and their exciting lives!:D
Yes i over-reacted, I guess i didnt wanna hear a fellow forumite dead. What i find strange is the people who are supposed to be a mod NOT finding anything wrong with Guybrush's statement. I find it offensive and this would appear to be of racial tone. This aint no PC bullshit it is calling a spade a spade.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 10:14
If you don't like a post, please RTM it.
I'd say we are a bit between a rock and a hard place.
If I don't delete it, some people will say I am racist and inconsistent.
If I do delete it, other people will say I am abusing my powers and we're being like OcUK by deleting stuff
So let LeChuck decide :rofl:
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 10:14
You've got two options, one of us can edit it all out of several posts or you can take it like any other insults and give as good as you get...
Call him a milky cracker... or Roger the Cabinboy...
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 10:19
You've got two options, one of us can edit it all out of several posts or you can take it like any other insults and give as good as you get...
Call him a milky cracker... or Roger the Cabinboy...
3rd option ban everyone in the thread.
Reason; You're all twats:D
But black people like banana's don't they? Because they're like monkeys?
[i'm only joking :p]
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 10:47
3rd option ban everyone in the thread.
Reason; You're all twats:D
I don't think I have access to ban people anymore...
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 10:53
I don't think I have access to ban people anymore...
Well hope you had fun while your PoWWa lasted:D
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 10:56
I agree, it was a stupid thing to say and in very poor taste at best.
We just dont know how he meant it, no ":D" or ":stir:" so we have to assume he meant it as a jibe at E|.
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 11:03
Yes i'm very serious. (and unless i'm mistaken my POV is as valid as yours)
Referring to someone as a black is demeaning. It suggests they are an object, rather than a human being by way of a put down. Attach the word "man" to the end and it's fine however.
But again would it not depend what your talking about. :)
Does this sound nicer,
Give a black man a banana to make him happy.
Than
Give a black a banana to make him happy
Personally I dont think either should be tolerated in the context of this thread and the post by Guybrush.
The phrase; "I spoke to a black" does sound nasty compared to saying "I spoke to a black man"
Yes i'm very serious. (and unless i'm mistaken my POV is as valid as yours)
Referring to someone as a black is demeaning. It suggests they are an object, rather than a human being by way of a put down. Attach the word "man" to the end and it's fine however.
SEXIST! :mad: Why do you assume all black people to be males? :mad:
:p
So what happened to overtly racist comments being removed? It should have been so before this discussion was allowed to occur - now there is a record of it showing how weak the moderation were to respond.
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 11:09
I think both are insulting, but leaving the word "man" out definitely appears worse IMO.
Yes, I agree just thought both were bad myself.:)
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 11:09
So what happened to overtly racist comments being removed?
I think you should give Guybrush the right to reply first.
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 11:40
Which is why it was a stupid thing to say and in poor taste at best. It seems all the more bizarre that GB would say such a thing.
I had nothing to judge him by I think Ive seen him posting once before:)
You know him?
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 11:44
So what happened to overtly racist comments being removed? It should have been so before this discussion was allowed to occur - now there is a record of it showing how weak the moderation were to respond.
If you don't like a post, please RTM it.
I'd say we are a bit between a rock and a hard place.
If I don't delete it, some people will say I am racist and inconsistent.
If I do delete it, other people will say I am abusing my powers and we're being like OcUK by deleting stuff
So let LeChuck decide :rofl:
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 11:44
Yes i'm very serious. (and unless i'm mistaken my POV is as valid as yours)
Referring to someone as a black is demeaning. It suggests they are an object, rather than a human being by way of a put down. Attach the word "man" to the end and it's fine however.
True, freedom of speech gives you the right to talk bollocks :D
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 11:47
I dont think we need to delete anything, self moderation seems to be working.
A comment was made, we discussed and all agreed it wasnt nice.
GB hasn't posted back either to reply to any of the coments.
Can the a mod take off the commet for god's sake. :rolleyes:
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 11:57
Can the a mod take off the commet for god's sake. :rolleyes:
Why did you not RTM it??
It was edited at 1012 El.
Whether edited or not, I still find it offensive. I am a black man and him offering me a banana is supposed to mean am a lower primate of some kind. Every one can read between the lines. It is rude and have racial undertone. I would prefer it taken off period, not edited.
I am really getting sick of this whole colour issues that seem to crop up from time to time...
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 11:58
What was the original comment both GB and I have had our posted edited to
if i give you a banana will you calm downSorry E| I see where your coming from:(
I'm removing my first reply to GB.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 11:58
It was edited at 1012 El.
Eh? It's still there.
Why did you not RTM it??
It is already been discussed here. Iirc, you made a post saying you dont wanna remove it and lechuck should decide. I see no point tbh as it is already a focus and i have made my say public.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:00
It is already been discussed here. Iirc, you made a post saying you dont wanna remove it and lechuck should decide. I see no point tbh as it is already a focus and i have made my say public.
Yes there is a point - don't whinge about a post which you haven't even bothered to RTM for godsake.
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 12:02
Yes there is a point - don't whinge about a post which you haven't even bothered to RTM for godsake.
Well actually he made it public so you can forgive him for not using RTM.
Yes there is a point - don't whinge about a post which you haven't even bothered to RTM for godsake.
Instead of the mods to take this out and let it be all done with. I am instead getting blamed for not RTM the post, even though I made my views clear on the issue in the same thread?
I have explained my reason as to why. If it wont be removed. Please nuke my account now. I have had enough of this crap.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:04
http://overcockers.net/showpost.php?p=35595&postcount=5
I beg to differ.
Are you seeing the original post? For some reason CK, wildcard and myself quoted it, yet there's has changed to match the edit but mine is quoting the original post.
I'll go edit mine too to tidy it up.
It says "if i give you a banana will you calm down"
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:04
Instead of the mods to take this out and let it be all done with. I am instead getting blamed for not RTM the post, even though I made my views clear on the issue in the same thread?
I have explained my reason as to why. If it wont be removed. Please nuke my account now. I have had enough of this crap.
lol you big fucking drama queen :rolleyes:
Honestly, will you just act your age and be an adult and not a child?
ChemicalKicks
16-09-2007, 12:06
Off to work, talk later guys.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:07
Off to work, talk later guys.
Okay bro' :visage:
This thread'll still be here and open :)
lol you big fucking drama queen :rolleyes:
Im a drama queen? I am a drama queen for reacting to Guy brush comment? That's it.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:08
Im a drama queen? I am a drama queen for reacting to Guy brush comment? That's it.
RTM posts you have a problem with. That's it.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:09
And if you read the bottom of that post it says edited by CBS at 1012.
THEN, read my post which quoted the original comment.
I'll paste it here for five minutes then delete it to respect El's POV on this.
what?
The post is still 'racist' according to El so why is it still there.
Why is this forum more PC than OcUK?
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:12
Oops, I think his "that's it" means that's it for him and this forum. Seeing as he has logged out after posting that.
:popcorn:
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:15
APoL why did you just edit my post and remove the quote? :confused:
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:18
Why is this forum more PC than OcUK?
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:19
It's been 10 mins, what are you waiting for...
http://i4.tinypic.com/2e2gxm9.png
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:24
its you fucking retard :visage:
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:30
Okay you stop being a cunt and I'll stop. You started first so you should be the one to stop first. After you then.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:37
You are a wind up artist mate.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:44
LeChuck, would you like to ask APoL not to edit people's posts without a good reason...
http://www.theselfpreservationsociety.org/showpost.php?p=35759&postcount=63
There was no reason to edit that at all, and he did not leave a comment explaining why he did it.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:49
That was an error on my part and has already been rectified.
No it has not. I quoted the post within the body of my OWN text - not your quote. You deleted it and have not put it back. This was clearly pointless when the quote still existed twice on the first page of the thread. You didn't delete THAT but you deleted ME repeating it.
A bit too eager and trigger happy are we?
ForumJacker
16-09-2007, 12:56
If GuyBrush is who I think it is, then I'd be very surprised if it was meant to be racist.
That said, I still think it should be removed.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:57
What?
The quote still exists now. It is on the first page twice and in the image I posted.
I think you need to stop taking the piss.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 12:58
If you'd like to look at the logs to see how many times you've used "Authoritaii" and compare it to the number of times I have, the resulting evidence would show to the contrary.
Quantity does not equal trigger happy. The vast majority of my 'interventions' have been things like moving threads to the proper forum, not editing people's posts.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 13:00
I quoted this "if i give you a banana will you calm down"
YOU edited it from my post and deleted it.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 13:04
No it is not. You are either lying or mistaken. Probably the former.
ForumJacker
16-09-2007, 13:17
Folks .... back down.
I was hoping this place wouldn't decend into personal slanging.
Please let it go. Blow the thread and move on.+1
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 13:20
sok it's over now. All the posts with the arguing can be deleted as far as I'm concerned.
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 13:51
Just a sign a show of support for possibly the finest moderator that has graced our forum, I am starting a thread thanking DD and asking him to take up tools once more...
Please vote to show how you feel
As much as I would have preferred to go for the first option, I went for the second as I already know I can get a good price for my mother. :eek:
When did he stop being a mod
I can feel an East Enders moment coming on
Dum dum dum dum..............................
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 14:13
Fucking hell. Dont log on for 48 hours and DD isn't a mod anymore? Is this true? what the fuck is the world coming too.
I VOTE YES, COME BACK if this is true.
See the last page or so of this thread :)
http://www.theselfpreservationsociety.org/showthread.php?p=35870#post35870
Just a sign a show of support for possibly the finest moderator that has graced our forum, I am starting a thread thanking DD and asking him to take up tools once more...
Please vote to show how you feel
A voice in my head is shouting 'parody' at me..
Voted #1 anyway, my mum cooks nice food for me when I visit the house, and I've never liked you anyway CBS :D
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 15:19
You sir, are Zefan. Fuck off - I tire of your self-importance and self-appointed interest with the standards of others who hold the same job as yourself. Please don't edit others posts for cheap thrills, please don't claim that others are moderating unevenly. Please dont start dramatic threads giving the impression you have more authority over the strategic direction of this site than you are
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 15:27
Well done.
You asked for input :confused:
For the first time I think it would be appropriate for the mods to have their own private room or section to sort their shit out and ensure consistency in the job of moderation
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 15:29
http://i5.tinypic.com/4p2c3nr.gif
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 15:31
For the first time I think it would be appropriate for the mods to have their own private room or section to sort their shit out and ensure consistency in the job of moderation
:eek:
I do not think that Dirtydog's and Cleanbluesky's personalities are suited to moderation. I'm sure you're lovely... but not ideal as mediators who can put their own politics aside for one moment to deal with situations objectively.
In regards to rules, 'No Racism' is an obvious one, and one that should actually be enforced consistently this time. People who have expressed anti-immigrant sentiments to an entreme level and made disparaging posts about black members should NOT be responsible for keeping that sort of shit off the forums.
Wildcard
16-09-2007, 15:45
Ok, I have skimmed through the thread.
For what it's worth, I was wisecracking when I said "that's racist". I didn't think it was racist, I read it as "here's a dancing banana graphic to cheer you up", but made the crack I did because I thought it would be seen for what it was immediately.
Wildcard
16-09-2007, 15:47
The mods are revolting.
Wildcard
16-09-2007, 15:50
I bet Spie is loving this.
DD has stepped down for the time being (by his own choice) so that isn't really relevent now, but I don't think that is a fair criticism. Although I find his viewpoints objectionable to say the least, I know for a fact that he tries to act in the fairest way possible. Not just regarding responding to RTM's, but with his attitude generally.
Is that why he immediately deleted a post calling him a 'white bastard' (in jest) and yet when confronted with a post comparing El Razur to a monkey he scoffed at the suggestion it was racist despite the fact El was very obviously distressed by the remark and refused to do anything about it because it had not been RTM'd.
I am just trying to give some positive criticism, and without putting anyone's nose out of joint - I think there are a fair few issues that need to be addressed.
I bet Spie is loving this.
Who's Spie, and whats he got to do with this forum?
I voted yes come back.
Paul
I think that 'no racism' would be a lovely rule to have. Now, who wants to define what is, and isnt, racist?
Not me.
That's a very difficult thing to do, and i don't think there can be a one size fits all approach. You could prohibit certain words though, it'd be a start.
That would be pointless.
Whats the difference between:
'I hate niggers'
and
'I hate n******'
Not a lot, IMO. By allowing the word in its full, unexpurgated glory you allow readers to realise that the writer is a tosser. WHy should the SPS take steps to stop people showing themselves in their true light? We're not a babysitting service.
Yes i over-reacted, I guess i didnt wanna hear a fellow forumite dead. What i find strange is the people who are supposed to be a mod NOT finding anything wrong with Guybrush's statement. I find it offensive and this would appear to be of racial tone. This aint no PC bullshit it is calling a spade a spade.
So a bannana reference is racist but a spade reference isn't?
I hate it when people play the race card, it is pathetic. It's no major deal to call fat people, bald people, spotty people, ginger people etc names that relate to their appearance. But if the are black then it's special. Bollocks.
Yes i'm very serious. (and unless i'm mistaken my POV is as valid as yours)
Referring to someone as a black is demeaning. It suggests they are an object, rather than a human being by way of a put down. Attach the word "man" to the end and it's fine however.
But he refers to himself as "a white" ............ so given that he uses the exact same structure to refer to himself I don't think it is rude at all. I think some people are overly sensitive and always on the look out for a chance to flash the race card.
There is a good point in there to be honest. Where do you draw the line on the subject of insults?
That is actually a good point, you're right there...
Guybrush hasn't been online since 0341 so we can't get his point of view on this. It IS possible that he did not mean his comment to be racist and as such he should be allowed to comment. If he'd been openly racist and used the N word for example, then i assure you i would've deleted it as soon as i read it.
FWIW you should realise that until you RTM'd it at 1010 nobody else had done the same and CBS edited the post at 1012, so if 120 seconds counts as weak moderation then we are all weak moderators.
Oh yes because it is fine to use the very misogynist "C" word with "gay" abandon but not the dreaded "N" word.
What fucked up bullshit PC bollocks is this?
Oh yes because it is fine to use the very misogynist "C" word with "gay" abandon but not the dreaded "N" word.
What fucked up bullshit PC bollocks is this?
Coon?
Whether edited or not, I still find it offensive. I am a black man and him offering me a banana is supposed to mean am a lower primate of some kind. Every one can read between the lines. It is rude and have racial undertone. I would prefer it taken off period, not edited.
I am really getting sick of this whole colour issues that seem to crop up from time to time...
I offered my daughter a bananna for a snack last night. As for the phrase "Oooh give him a bananna" - it is pretty common and has no racial overtones, it is generally used at someone stating the blindingly obvious.
"Colin McRae is dead!"
"Oooh give him a bananna".
OMGZ0R RACISTISMSISMSMS.....
Unbelieveably inane.
There is a good point in there to be honest. Where do you draw the line on the subject of insults?
I don't draw the line, I would be unlikely to insult a cripple because so far in my life I have never been given cause to be pissed off with a cripple.
However if some one legged or wheelchair bound person did somehow piss me off then I probably would bring it into the conversation shortly after they called me a fat bastard or something.
Coon?
Is "coon" misogynist?
Again, you're right. calling someone "a white" is no better or worse than calling someone "a black". But then DD is more than free to insult himself as we all are, it's when you insult others that the problems begin.
A white, a black, a bloke, a bird, a fish, a football, a left hand drive 1958 split window VW Beetle.
Holy crap I've just insulted everyone in the universe.
It's responding to the feelings of the members. Posts have been RTM'd for containing the N word before and have been deleted or edited.
Feelings? How far should we change our lives or curtail expression of opinions based on someones feelings? Not very I say.
So if some muslim poster here did not like my personal feelings about islam because it upset his feelings then my posts would be deleted even if my feelings were hurt because my posts were deleted.... how far do we go..... well when do you stop?
Personally I think it would be unnecessary to call El a cunt, yet that would be allowed. :confused:
The C word is a non-specific insult and may have no real context. A racist comment such as the "banana" one certainly does have context and is very specific. If GB wishes to provide some mitigating qualification for the comment, I'd be very interested to hear what it is.
Yet an awful lot of women find that word really offensive.
GB could have offered me a bananna. Would that be offensive? Or is it only offensive when the poster in question is black? What now ban all references to banannas on this forum just in case?
So, what kind of posts do you think the admins should remove or edit, if any at all? If what you're saying, and i think it is, is that one personal insult is as bad as the next do you think we should remove or edit any post that involves someone insulting another?
Or, do you think we shouldn't amend ANY insulting posts?
I'm not baiting you, I really want to find out what everyone thinks is an acceptable compromise.
Consistency would be the key. Either allow it all or disallow it all.
Or put up a sticky that says - jokes or insults that relate to gays, cripples or ethnic minorities will not be tolerated but you can call people cunts.
How fucking PC.
I couldn't give a flying what colour anyone is, it is pretty irrelevent (unless someone considers their colour to somehow define them).
Therefore comments/ insults re colour are about as meaningful as comments about the length of my toenails.
In short I consider all insults to be insults. SO either we can insult or we can't, no special treatment of posters based on race, sex or religion. How about some true fucking equality instead of this PC shit.
I don't believe that you would resort to calling someone a cripple no matter what the provocation. Nor would I expect you to call someone the N word.
If a black, lesbian with no legs gave me a shitload of abuse then I probably would return the abuse shortly before I cut the brakes on her wheel chair and pushed her down the stairs.
However I am more likely to win a lottery that I never play than to be upset by a legless, black lesbian.
Well, yes. Blacks have been called (among other things) monkeys and the banana remark relates to that. If you're not black then it's just a piece of fruit.
Ginger people have been called "duracell". Shall we ban all reference to portable power sources?
This is exactly the kind of thing i was hoping for. Once again you hit the proverbial nail on the head when you suggest that equality isn't something you can have in part.
I'd personally be more likely to punch someone for calling me a fat cunt than a white cunt. Calling me a white cunt would crack me up.
VIRII, your imagination is a weird and wonderful place.
Legless black lesbians?? where the hell did you come up with that one? :p
Sexual fantasy of mine ;)
Oh and dwarves. Dwarves crack me up, not PC I know but there is something fascinating about dwarves and midgets. Maybe I saw "willow" too many times.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 17:35
If a MOD modifies a post, using the SPSAdmin account then post a fkin reason - AND (THIS IS THE IMPORTANT BIT) sign which mod did it, even just initials!
The spsadmin account is no more.
The mods now use their own accounts to moderate, so any changes will appear under their own names automatically.
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 17:35
I have little problem with APoL's moderation, but I do have a problem with the way in which APoL's behaviour has changed. Take THIS THREAD as a simple example.
We need our members input and we need it NOW!
After recent events it's starting to look like some fundamental rules may need to be defined. There have been some inconsistancies in modding so to clarify and keep things on a level playing field it might just help everyone if a short set of rules is drawn up. I think everyone should have a say in what these rules should or should not be.
These are YOUR forums guys so please contribute.
All this suggest that APoL thinks that there is a divide in membership between a group which he considers himself to be in and other people. These are YOUR forums? Fuck no, these are OUR forums.
It strikes me that APoL is trying to come across like JohnnyBigBalls and making subjective judgements about other poster's or their behaviour.
Bring back APoL before he started acting like the new Zefan.
It's interesting you brought up that particular example as it's been the subject of a TV series. F*** off I'm ginger. The presenter rightly makes the point that society seems to accept that it's ok to poke fun at redheads, and sometimes even ok to discrimiate against them.
Society discriminates on the basis of gingerness, height, weight and how attractive someone is.
A pretty, slim, busty blonde WILL get better service than a bald, fat middle aged man.
Race and religion have somehow been given an elevated status as unmentionable and it is totally wrong.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 17:37
I also noticed there was not a 'no' option. I have to register my OUTRAGE at this clearly biased poll :mad: :stir:
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 17:40
Otherwise its just stealth edits, and I fucking hate them
I know - I've edited two posts since spsadmin went down and then thought better of it and restored them
Tell the truth, you just want to do "The propeller" with one, don't you?
:p
LOL. There was a fascinating programME recently about the Dwarf Olympics. Loads of dwarves and midgets in America all gathered together for some social and sporting activity. They rocked. Not one of them let their size get them down or stop them having a normal life or kids. Not one of them played the Dwarf Card either. Much respect to them.
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 17:43
I can't disagree with any of the above.
But do you disagree that these two factors SHOULD be given special status with regards to discrimination?
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 17:45
I can't disagree with any of the above.
You seem to be agreeing with VIRII about PC, yet before you were the leading proponent of PC. Have you done a 180 since earlier? :confused:
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 17:46
If that's how you've taken things to be then I'm scratching my head on the whole issue.
WE as in the collective, not the royal sense of the word. I don't think there's a divide as such, but there is a definite cause for concern when people are unclear as to what is and is not acceptable. That's why i thought it'd be wise to try and clear up any "murky-ness" and ask everyone what they think should and shouldn't be acceptable.
So when you said "these are YOUR forums" you were talking about yourself in third person collective, rather than "letting them eat cake" :confused:
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 17:47
If that's how you've taken things to be then I'm scratching my head on the whole issue.
WE as in the collective, not the royal sense of the word. I don't think there's a divide as such, but there is a definite cause for concern when people are unclear as to what is and is not acceptable. That's why i thought it'd be wise to try and clear up any "murky-ness" and ask everyone what they think should and shouldn't be acceptable.
Okay, I think you want to be too PC and edit or delete posts which should in fact be left alone. The one about the banana is a case in point.
In principle then I wouldn't expect you to resort to such an insult. Well you probably think I can outrun a fat black lesbian with no legs in a wheelchair though :p But yes I'd just walk off as she's not going to be up for a fistfight ;)
However, why in principle should she be treated any differently to anyone else in any aspect of life?
Perhaps another perspective is that all insults are wrong and arguing that one insult is somehow worse than another is missing the point.
Indeed.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 17:53
Not at all. .
So you don't think that thread should have been edited then? You've changed your mind from earlier if so.
I'm agreeing that if the majority of members think it's fine and dandy to allow words like this then so be it, and if not then they'll need to be amended.
the question is what is the role of the moderator in this place?
To keep the things posted within the law? i.e no real names and addresses or such like, no incitement to violence etc?
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 17:53
You can't have freedom of speech then expect people not to get into heated debates, even say things they regret.
Indeed. On that course I was on recently, we were encouraged to see issues through. Arguments and contention tends to have a specific pattern, whereby it reaches tension and then releases and as long as people are allowed to express what they think (and do so coherently) it tends to smooth out. If you're not allowed to talk about it, it tends to linger.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 17:54
To keep the things posted within the law? i.e no real names and addresses or such like, no incitement to violence etc?
Yes, that is what I originally thought the point of mods was. Also to do a bit of housekeeping such as moving threads to the right forum.
NOT to analyse posts for signs of being un-PC, or to delete one kind of insult but not another.
I'm just trying to gauge what the feeling is on this. You can't please everyone, that's obvious, but do you run things based on the opinions of the many?
I think that if it is OK to pick on someones thoughts or beliefs or political leanings then it is ok to pick on their religion, colour or weight.
An insult is an insult, one is not magically "worse" than another.
Anything with legal implications is obviously a definite no-no.
Now what?
I'd prefer a strong encouragement to all members to avoid swearing and avoid being unpleasant to eachother, but at the same time a sticky that whilst encouraging us to be harmonious points out that free speech and true equality would be metered out in moderating decisions.
Calling someone a bitch is no better or worse than calling them a nigger in my book. Both are intended to cause offence and it is the intention that matters.
Calling me a medallion or pendant is of course allowed. Bitches.
Anything with legal implications is obviously a definite no-no.
Now what?
I would also say if people are going to be critical of any other site be as objective as possible.
I'd prefer a strong encouragement to all members to avoid swearing and avoid being unpleasant to eachother, but at the same time a sticky that whilst encouraging us to be harmonious points out that free speech and true equality would be metered out in moderating decisions.
Calling someone a bitch is no better or worse than calling them a nigger in my book. Both are intended to cause offence and it is the intention that matters.
Calling me a medallion or pendant is of course allowed. Bitches.
Good point well made. Maybe not rules as such but guidelines. We still want to attract as many new members as possible so lets not deter people by swearing all the time just because we can.
The thing is though matey, the member in question hasn't been online in the last 15 hours, so let's imagine his comment was something that could get the site into trouble. What do you do then? Leave it until you can contact him (which could be a while) or draft up some basic and simple guidelines to allow the mods to act, either by leaving it as is or editing/deleting.
For me thats the problem with being too PC. Im not sure if what I read was the edited or unedited version but if it was about making someone happy by giving them a banana then we all might as well pack up and go home. Instead of looking at what it could have meant or who it could have offended sometimes we need to look at who it offended and was the offence meant in a racially motivated way
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 18:20
The thing is though matey, the member in question hasn't been online in the last 15 hours, so let's imagine his comment was something that could get the site into trouble. What do you do then? Leave it until you can contact him (which could be a while) or draft up some basic and simple guidelines to allow the mods to act, either by leaving it as is or editing/deleting.
My interpretation of LeChuck. Anything that can 'get the site into trouble' should be deleted. Anything else is personal, and emphasis should be on the individual rather than whether or not it is deleted - therefore there is no issue about how long a potentially offensive comment stays.
You seem to want rules.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 18:20
we need to look at who it offended and was the offence meant in a racially motivated way
Do we need to do that?
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 18:21
Search broken?
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 18:22
Not rules as such, just the odd basic guideline or two.
We have them already.
http://www.theselfpreservationsociety.org/showthread.php?t=2
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 18:22
Not rules as such, just the odd basic guideline or two.
We don't have that now?
Do we need to do that?
No we don't.
My point was that there's been a lot of piss and wind this afternoon because we were unsure if it was a joke in bad taste or if it was a racist comment. I was trying to say we should look at the reality rather than looking at what it could have meant. I personally think it was in bad taste rather than being racist.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 18:24
No we don't.
My point was that there's been a lot of piss and wind this afternoon because we were unsure if it was a joke in bad taste or if it was a racist comment. I was trying to say we should look at the reality rather than looking at what it could have meant. I personally think it was in bad taste rather than being racist.
I would have preferred if we'd just told El to put his race card back in his pocket and ignore it.
I would have preferred if we'd just told El to put his race card back in his pocket and ignore it.
Agreed
True, but then I am straight. I'm sure if I was gay, I would have had a different train of thought. Anyway, where you going with this ? :mad:
I was going to the "racist homophobe" line ;)
Kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out.
God? You christian zealot, you witch burning freak.
Blimey. Has everyone gone stark raving mad ?
CK, Paedo, ForumJacker, where are you sane people ????? :)
Oh so now you have something against the mentally disabled as well?
You sick, sick man.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 18:39
FakeSnake, see for yourself...
http://www.theselfpreservationsociety.org/showthread.php?t=1160
And notice how PC APoL is being, despite saying he is not PC...
What the FUCK happened to the SPS this weekend Lechuck? :confused:
it started to develop PC leanings.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 18:42
Blimey. Has everyone gone stark raving mad ?
CK, Paedo, ForumJacker, where are you sane people ????? :)
Are you not getting VIRII's humour? :(
Are you not getting VIRII's humour? :(
I don't think he is, no.
/throws up on his shoes ;)
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 18:45
He needs one of these.
http://i15.tinypic.com/66dnss2.jpg
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 18:47
You didn't ask him if the search facility is broken as you did with me.
Why is that exactly?
He didn't ask when El was last online. He wasn't to know what to search for.
Go away :visage:
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 18:49
I already invited you to stop. I will keep it up for as long as you to continue being the way you have been behaving.
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 18:56
Take to PM?
Do you think Gordon Brown would be interested though?
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 18:56
I'll go one better mate and just stop replying to him.
It's easier.
I love it when people want to advertise they are being the bigger man :D
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 18:56
I'll go one better mate and just stop replying to him.
It's easier.
Is that a threat or a promise? :visage:
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 19:02
OH SHUT UP THE FUCKING PAIR OF YOU!
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 19:06
For those that are calling it PC.. get a fucking grip. Would you walk up to a black bloke and say ' Ello nigger'?
I thought not. Its nothing to do with PC at all, its just general politeness..
I wouldn't walk up to someone and call them an idiot either, but that doesn't mean we should ban the word idiot on here.
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 19:07
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dirtydog
16-09-2007, 19:26
Was either this or get drunk and pick a fight with someone small.
:rofl: :lmao: :thumbsup:
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 19:27
Whatever happens some people are going to be left unhappy, right? There cannot be a solution to all this which pleases everyone. Are we all agreed on that much?
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 19:36
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Starkweather
16-09-2007, 19:38
I still think a Uwe Boll style boxing match is in order
dirtydog
16-09-2007, 19:38
Do you not think there are varying degrees of insult though?
Personally I do.
Do you think.
"you are an idiot"
is a complete world away from
"you are a nigger"?
Yes, but what are you proposing exactly. Spell out what 'rule' you would like to see, in unambiguous language. As Visage said earlier, a rule banning racism is not realistically enforceable. Also we can't ban everything that might offend someone, or we'd have to ban APoL for existing. (;))
Take to PM?
Don't you think Gordon Brown has better things to do than moderate a forum disagreement? :confused:
Eck now I'm confused!
but.. a note to the moderators..
please do not edit an offending post on the premise of one RTM. thats just pandering to one person over another.
Similarly don't refuse to act on the basis that no RTM has been received! If something is quite clearly innapropriate, deal with it accordingly and leave a note explaining why.
In regards to rules, I don't think it is necessarily difficult to define what is an isn't racism. Overt racism is quite easy to spot. Furthermore, why should moderators wait around to get a reply from the poster to determine whether he meant it in a racist manner? Of course he's going to bloody say that it wasn't, no one is going to admit to being a racist online. Explanations should be left to PM, with obvious racist remarks removed immediately, if the mods deem the explanation to be unsatisfactory they can take further action at their own discretion and what not. To my mind, any criticism, remark or comparison aimed at an individual on the basis of their colour, race, creed is racism. Pure and simple.
Other rules should include anything which could land the site in trouble i.e. links to warez.
...................
Another thing, I have come to agree with VIRII in regards to language.... it's getting a little tiresome now to see extreme profanity being used constantly out of context, when just not necessary. Maybe tone it down a bit?
Do you not think there are varying degrees of insult though?
Personally I do.
Do you think.
"you are an idiot"
is a complete world away from
"you are a nigger"?
I'd rather be called a nigger than an idiot.
References to skin colour are meaningless, references to itellectual capabilities are not imho.
Nigger is no more or less insulting than anything else in my book. If some people think it has some special power then I disagree.
Oh you SO suck at that joke ;)
see post #242
Damn :( /shame
I also think the moderators roles should be clearly defined, I see no reason now why they shouldn't have an appropriate title identifying them as such. The regular members know who they are but not everyone is going to, it should be clear so that a member feels they can approach one by PM without having to work out who is who by analysing countless threads. You may not want a clear hierarchy to develop, but with all due respect it already has and by not making it obvious who the Mod's are it is inhibiting their ability to do their job effectively.
None of this egotastic "Don" and "Commissario" rubbish though, a simple Forum Moderator or such would be appropriate I think.
To my mind, any criticism, remark or comparison aimed at an individual on the basis of their colour, race, creed is racism. Pure and simple.
I completely disagree. For example nigerian scammers are world famous since the launch of the internet. This is a cultural aspect of nigeria where corruption is rife. Mentioning it is NOT racist.
Creed = religion. Religion is an ideology. No ideology is above criticism.
Much of the violent crime and gun crime in London is committed by young black males. I feel there is nothing racist in criticising the behaviour of these people nor in pointing out the fact that they are black.
I also think the moderators roles should be clearly defined, I see no reason now why they shouldn't have an appropriate title identifying them as such. The regular members know who they are but not everyone is going to, it should be clear so that a member feels they can approach one by PM without having to work out who is who by analysing countless threads. You may not want a clear hierarchy to develop, but with all due respect it already has and by not making it obvious who the Mod's are it is inhibiting their ability to do their job effectively.
None of this egotastic "Don" and "Commissario" rubbish though, a simple Forum Moderator or such would be appropriate I think.
So from the seed of self moderation and free speech we've arrived at censorship and stronger moderation in under 1 month. That prisoner/guard roleplay scenario comes to mind again.
Actually I agree with you on the creed/beliefs aspect, those three words just go so well together!
Much of the violent crime and gun crime in London is committed by young black males. I feel there is nothing racist in criticising the behaviour of these people nor in pointing out the fact that they are black.
You will be criticising their behaviour then, if you then go on to use their race as a reason for their behaviour, then THAT is racism.
So from the seed of self moderation and free speech we've arrived at censorship and stronger moderation in under 1 month. That prisoner/guard roleplay scenario comes to mind again.
What are you talking about? I made no such suggestions.
Actually I agree with you on the creed/beliefs aspect, those three words just go so well together!
You will be criticising their behaviour then, if you then go on to use their race as a reason for their behaviour, then THAT is racism.
Why? They band together by race, their cultural behaviour and norms are strongly associated with their race. It is not the pigment of their skin that makes them do these things but their identification with the "percieved culture" associated with that skin type.
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 20:24
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What are you talking about? I made no such suggestions.
The first step is identifying and formalising a heirarchy, putting the "police" in place.
In one respect I agree, it would not bother ME if someone called me a nigger and would be more insulted byt being called an idiot.
On the other hand, I am white, so it would have no insulting undertone. to a black person that may be very different.
Why can some people not understand that?
As I said in an earlier post, its not about being PC and pandering, its about common sense and politeness.
No it is about PC.
Would you be more insulted if I called you "an idiot" or "a white idiot
"You are a fucking idiot."
"You are a fucking idiot chalky/whitey/cracker/whiteboy."
Reference to your skincolour makes no difference at all.
The first step is identifying and formalising a heirarchy, putting the "police" in place.
Ah so giving the Moderators a title identifying them as such, is the beginning of the implementation of a police state?! :confused:
In fact, it is not even giving them a title, they already have the title because they accepted the role of 'Moderator' and people recognise them as such. Putting the word 'Moderator' under their forum name would serve only to help newer members recognise who they can approach in the event of a problem. I am absolutely certain that if any moderator started having ideas above his/her station, the members and LeChuck would not stand for it and he/she would be forced to step down.
They know they are moderators, they know that at the end of the day they do have the ability to exercise certain powers over the other members but they also know that if they ever tried to misuse them, it would be very short-lived indeed!
What do you think would happen to the nutter who wanders into a pub, walking up to a black person and giving him racist abuse. Would he be told to get out, or would the pub murmur something about freedom of speech?
What do you think would happen to the nutter who wanders into a pub, walking up to a and giving him abuse. Would he be told to get out, or would the pub murmur something about freedom of speech?
The same as above. The issue is the abuse, not the fact that the abuse was about skin colour.
Ah so giving the Moderators a title identifying them as such, is the beginning of the implementation of a police state?! :confused:
In fact, it is not even giving them a title, they already have the title because they accepted the role of 'Moderator' and people recognise them as such. Putting the word 'Moderator' under their forum name would serve only to help newer members recognise who they can approach in the event of a problem. I am absolutely certain that if any moderator started having ideas above his/her station, the members and LeChuck would not stand for it and he/she would be forced to step down.
They know they are moderators, they know that at the end of the day they do have the ability to exercise certain powers over the other members but they also know that if they ever tried to misuse them, it would be very short-lived indeed!
It depends what powers you want them to have and what role you want them to have.
It depends if you want them to administrate or police and if policing to what guidelines.
So it is the FIRST step. Clearly more steps are required to define the role as you alluded to earlier :)
Starkweather
16-09-2007, 20:51
1) Get rid of anything that could get the site in trouble
2) Move/split/merge threads where they are wrong/duplicates
3) Add NSFW/Spoiler tags etc
4) Make sure no banned members turn up to meets, and if they do, ask them to leave.
Let's get this in context, We're talking about 10 action per day, of which only 1/2 is point 1.
I don't think its aimed at you or the responsibilities you've set out. There are those, however, who wish to see more rules and more moderation placed upon themselves and each other
In one respect I agree, it would not bother ME if someone called me a nigger and would be more insulted byt being called an idiot.
On the other hand, I am white, so it would have no insulting undertone. to a black person that may be very different.
Why can some people not understand that?
As I said in an earlier post, its not about being PC and pandering, its about common sense and politeness.
FakeSnake for what it is worth I think you are the only person in the 30 pages of this thread that I wasted my life reading who is making any sense. It's pretty simple isn't it - "Please try not to be an arsehole all the time". End of rule.
If we have to have strict guidelines for everything, then one must assume that as a group of individuals we are not intellectually or cognitively developed enough to appreciate the value of interpretation, moderation and generally being a decent human being. Every thread that ElRazur starts or posts in ends up being some kind of jibe or swipe at his radce, or his avatar which is about his race, or soemthing else to do with race. Race constitutes a massively disproportionate quantity of the threads on The SPS. I don't get why people can't just leave it alone. Do they have nothing better to do whilst online, or with their lives in general?
you are right, reference to skincolour does indeed make no difference..
but to continue your insults...
"you are a fucking idiot nigger" is very different to
"you are a fucking idiot black man"
see where I am coming from? one is referencing the said idiots skin colour, the other is nothing more that plain rude
In the context of being a "fucking idiot" though it makes no difference.
"you are a fucking idiot you fat cunt". Just adds a little more but is no more offensive or less offensive than white cunt, black cunt or yellow cunt. It is no worse to dislike white people than black people or fat people.
Well it's the same I know. If someone hurls abuse at somebody else, based on whatever, their skin colour, their gender etc, 9/10 they'll look like a dick-head.
OK, case and point. Say you're discussing something with somebody VIRII.
He gets frustrated and dishes out some pretty nasty abuse. Would you prefer the post to be deleted and he knows it got a rise, or for the post to stay there as an example of his idiocy? OK, so it might require people to be thick-skinned and ignore abuse, but it shows people's true colours IMO. The repeat offenders obviously start coming across as prize twats and get added on people's ignore list sooner or later.
I don't know, it's just an idea, but obviously something needs to be done. The current moderation policy is flimsy, not through the moderators' fault, but probably because the actual level of acceptance and tolerance is pretty ambiguous.
I'd prefer if it was left personally. It'd give me even more to destroy them with :p
I don't think its aimed at you or the responsibilities you've set out. There are those, however, who wish to see more rules and more moderation placed upon themselves and each other
Indeed. I am not saying it is necessarily a "bad thing". If that is what people want then that's up to them. However I do wonder if it is a natural evolution of any group or society to slowly begin to regulate themselves and where rules don't exist to become pretty draconian with them.
JollyRoger
16-09-2007, 23:16
Reading this thread, and indeed this forum currently, makes me think I'm reading 'Lord of the Flies', but it's a 2007 remake;)
No rules = anarchy. 99% of people can show restraint and judgement, the other 1% will ruin it for the rest.
ChemicalKicks
17-09-2007, 01:29
/Gasps
I was only gone for 10 hours!
DD - I have never seen you confuse your MODing with your normal member posting, DD please step back up.
VIRII - I get you, I wouldn't have in the past. An insult it an insult, some insults are specific and aimed at people because of something outside of their control. Skin tone being one. So yes I understand your premise, in reality though.....
FakeSnake - In my eyes I agree, racism is specific, calling someone a twat aint.
Benktlottie - Hey your back! Nice TV.
[BeNice:)]
ChemicalKicks
17-09-2007, 01:42
You missed a little OcUK drama as well.
Point, use a link please? Did we get any screen shots or were we to busy fighting amongst ourselves? ;)
ChemicalKicks
17-09-2007, 02:31
Here (http://www.theselfpreservationsociety.org/showthread.php?p=36319&#post=36319)and here (http://www.theselfpreservationsociety.org/showthread.php?p=36314&#post=36314)
Cheers, when will the madness end.
ChemicalKicks
17-09-2007, 03:25
DD I know your floating around in here, hope everything is OK.:)
dirtydog
17-09-2007, 07:12
DD I know your floating around in here, hope everything is OK.:)
Morning matey, just replied to your PM - it might have looked like I was online at the time you sent it but I would have left 5-10 mins earlier, in case you thought I was ignoring you :visage:
ChemicalKicks
17-09-2007, 08:38
Morning matey, just replied to your PM - it might have looked like I was online at the time you sent it but I would have left 5-10 mins earlier, in case you thought I was ignoring you :visage:
Morning DD,
Late night and early morning. Got your PM, rock, hard place....;)
dirtydog
17-09-2007, 15:18
Just to let people know, I am back as a 'mod' again - I asked if I could return. After some thought I think I was too hasty yesterday :visage:
anarchist
17-09-2007, 16:13
Just to let people know, I am back as a 'mod' again - I asked if I could return. After some thought I think I was too hasty yesterday :visage:
Oh, did I miss something?
robmiller
19-09-2007, 19:32
awesome thread
Starkweather
19-09-2007, 19:33
awesome thread
Tell us about the fucking bananas already! :D
robmiller
19-09-2007, 19:52
i'll refer sir to the anthropological studies of the famous german researcher dr. a. hilter and his assistant dr. h. gerring who discovered that blacks on average consume over three times their bodyweight in bananas every day
if you'd like to call into question the veracity of their studies then by all means write a peer-reviewed journal article but until then suck it up chump
robmiller
19-09-2007, 20:00
i will refer sir to the internet anonymity principle
robmiller
19-09-2007, 20:07
but it's fun!! don't judge me!! don't judge meeeee!!!
Walk the plank you wapscallion ne'er do well!
robmiller
19-09-2007, 20:13
a little of column a, a little of column b
actually that's a lie it's all column b
robmiller
19-09-2007, 20:25
oi
ChemicalKicks
20-09-2007, 11:13
i'll refer sir to the anthropological studies of the famous german researcher dr. a. hilter and his assistant dr. h. gerring who discovered that blacks on average consume over three times their bodyweight in bananas every day
if you'd like to call into question the veracity of their studies then by all means write a peer-reviewed journal article but until then suck it up chump
Your a dick mate.:rofl:
robmiller
20-09-2007, 15:49
know you are said you are but what am i
dirtydog
20-09-2007, 16:14
Judging by your posts, about 12?
ChemicalKicks
20-09-2007, 16:16
Judging by your posts, about 12?
God, you were able to make sense of his last post, I couldn't.
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 13:53
Blacks is not an offensive term and nor is whites. It is a widely used and widely understood term so don't stir the PC shit up, it helps nothing.
anarchist
21-09-2007, 13:56
Blacks is not an offensive term and nor is whites.
I'm a pinko commie liberal and I use the word blacks without a second thought.
Starkweather
21-09-2007, 13:56
Talking of 'blacks', we just got an RTM so perhaps it would be diplomatic to refer to black people instead
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 13:58
Talking of 'blacks', we just got an RTM so perhaps it would be diplomatic to refer to black people instead
We don't have to pander to every PC request. Blacks is an acceptable term; I've often heard black people use it themselves - I think Mugabe has used it in speeches for example.
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 13:59
I'm a pinko commie liberal and I use the word blacks without a second thought.
Indeed. I am happy to make concessions with my language here so as not to cause offence but I think there are limits.
Starkweather
21-09-2007, 13:59
We don't have to pander to every PC request. Blacks is an acceptable term; I've often heard black people use it themselves - I think Mugabe has used it in speeches for example.
Of course we don't have to pander to requests, and I think that 'blacks' can be used acceptably in a lot of circumstances, although a dash of diplomacy might sooth tempers in this thread
anarchist
21-09-2007, 14:01
Talking of 'blacks', we just got an RTM so perhaps it would be diplomatic to refer to black people instead
Trevor Philips, the official head of the PC brigade (;)) uses the word "blacks" so if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me :)
Starkweather
21-09-2007, 14:02
WTF
Fuck the What?
Oh and did someone play silly buggers with peoples names a minute ago.
I don't think we can, what did you see?
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 14:02
Trevor Philips, the official head of the PC brigade (;)) uses the word "blacks" so if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me :)
Yep...
It wasn’t that nobody cared about them. What happened was worse. The fact is that nobody who mattered even remembered that they existed. In a society where whites and blacks choose to live entirely separate lives, the black poor become invisible to the decision-makers and the powerful, unless and until they get themselves some guns and start to terrorise their own neighbours.
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:eskD57hBpy8J:www.cre.gov.uk/Default.aspx.LocID-0hgnew07s.RefLocID-0hg00900c002.Lang-EN.htm+%22trevor+phillips%22+blacks+speech&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk
OH GNOES!!!
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 14:03
WTF
Oh and did someone play silly buggers with peoples names a minute ago.
The use of the word 'blacks' is CLEARLY BEYOND ACCEPTABLE don'tcha know :D
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 14:05
It wouldn't matter if the whole forum RTM'd it, it is not a racist or offensive term.
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 14:06
Oh and MODS getting on like complete twats is also unacceptable. I would have been the first to defend you DD about seperating MODing and posting, Im sorry I ever did.
What have I done wrong?
Starkweather
21-09-2007, 14:08
Oh and MODS getting on like complete twats is also unacceptable. I would have been the first to defend you DD about seperating MODing and posting, Im sorry I ever did.
Careful the CK, DD is speaking as a poster here and if you think I anyone else isn't meeting the standards you expect either RTM your concerns or PM LeChuck.
And in the mean time may I suggest you keep your accusations to yourself.
Starkweather
21-09-2007, 14:09
This thread is gonna get closed at the request of the OP if people don't stop being agressive...
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 14:09
Oh really, then what is the point of RTM then.
We've already had you stating that if you find something unacceptable then you should RTM instead of posting in the forum.
Here we go again on an off topic rant about unfair moderating, it seems :popcorn:
This thread is gonna get closed at the request of the OP if people don't stop being agressive...
Haha are you talking about yourself in the 3rd person now :p
That said, all this bickering is daft, this was quite a decent thread :p
Starkweather
21-09-2007, 14:10
Haha are you talking about yourself in the 3rd person now :p
It puts the lotion on its skin... etc :D
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 14:11
CK do you accept that Trevor Phillips would not use the word 'blacks' if it was racist, which proves that it is not an offensive term?
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 14:17
I nerver said it was racist, simply that it is uncalled for whitey.
Why not use European and African Caribean?
If whites and blacks is good enough for the (then) head of the CRE, it's good enough for me.
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 14:22
I didn't quote your RTM verbatim, or say who it was from - you did the latter bit yourself afterwards.
I didn't quote your RTM verbatim, or say who it was from - you did the latter bit yourself afterwards.
You shouldnt have mentioned it *at all*, IMO.
Denial.
If you were not a mod you wouldn't have got the RTM and wouldnt have anything to base "that" response with.
:rolleyes:
Are we seeing abuse of power again....? I love this forum.:)
Starkweather
21-09-2007, 14:43
I don't think that an RTM should be used to attack another poster, but openly mentioning an anonymous RTM is in the open spirit of the forum IMHO
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 14:44
Before this thread got derailed into squabbles about acceptable word usage and then modding this was a lively and well argued thread. The fact that the OP would want it closed is irrelevant, way too many other people posted in it so to grant ownership to one person would be IMO wrong.
I concur.
As for the RTM, if I was wrong to quote part of it then I apologise - I didn't think it would be a big issue.
I wonder if it would be an idea to split some of the posts off from this post to try and save the original thread topic.
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 14:48
Yes, close it then cut the crap out, then reopen it.
Good plan - I'll do it in a minute :)
I didn't think it would be a big issue.
Has any one else got deja vu?
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 14:50
Fair enough, a decent response about it.:)
If you dont mind can we call it quits and delete both our posts about the MOD thing, theirs a thread started about it now anyway.
I delete mine, you delete yours, deal?
I'll either have to delete ALL the related posts - which is loads - or split them to another thread either in the suggestions or perhaps the spam / bickering forum.
edit - I will split it all for now. Closing thread for a while... back soon.
IBTL :D
I always wanted to do that.
As for the blacks term.... I'm confused, don't plenty of black community leaders talk about the "black" community? How can you have a "black community" if it isn't for blacks?
Mind you I don't think I ever use the term black without using bloke, girl, chap, people or something on the end of it. It would not seem to be good english without it.
Who did that?
The black.
The black what?
Why are some just obsesssed with colour? FFS people fucking get a fucking life and get out more.
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 15:03
Trevor Phillips uses it in that context so that's good enough for me :)
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 15:04
Why are some just obsesssed with colour? FFS people fucking get a fucking life and get out more.
Says the man who used to have 'I'm black :cool:' in his sig :rofl::tumbleweed:
IBTL :D
I always wanted to do that.
As for the blacks term.... I'm confused, don't plenty of black community leaders talk about the "black" community? How can you have a "black community" if it isn't for blacks?
Mind you I don't think I ever use the term black without using bloke, girl, chap, people or something on the end of it. It would not seem to be good english without it.
Who did that?
The black.
The black what?
Isnt it the difference between referring to a person who is black, and describing someone solely on the basis of their colour?
Its semantics at the end of the day, but if once form of words is deemed more polite than another then its no skin off my nose to use the preferred term....I certainly dont see the point in using the potentially offensive one purely as some kind of protest against (non-existent, mostly) censorship.
Says the man who used to have 'I'm black :cool:' in his sig :rofl::tumbleweed:
I put it in my sig. I dont bang about it like you and your team do 24/7. Im gonna come out straight and tell you that 90% of the word black or reason as to why it is used on this forum is linked to you or your side kick.
Carlos The Jackal
21-09-2007, 15:15
But how often to we need to refer to them as 'blacks' on here anyway?
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 15:36
Isnt it the difference between referring to a person who is black, and describing someone solely on the basis of their colour?
No it is not.
I am really dismayed that we are even wasting life energy discussing this complete non issue. This usage of the word is and should be entirely non contentious among everyone regardless of their political leanings.
No it is not.
I am really dismayed that we are even wasting life energy discussing this complete non issue. This usage of the word is and should be entirely non contentious among everyone regardless of their political leanings.
And when you are master of the universe you can make it so.
Until then, suck it up.
dirtydog
21-09-2007, 15:50
And when you are master of the universe you can make it so.
Until then, suck it up.
I've learned not to underestimate the stupidity of people :)
Why are some just obsesssed with colour? FFS people fucking get a fucking life and get out more.
It is not about colour it is about grammatical correctness.
Isnt it the difference between referring to a person who is black, and describing someone solely on the basis of their colour?
Its semantics at the end of the day, but if once form of words is deemed more polite than another then its no skin off my nose to use the preferred term....I certainly dont see the point in using the potentially offensive one purely as some kind of protest against (non-existent, mostly) censorship.
I'm not sure about the PC element of it but it sounds wrong from a language point of view. For example substitute "fat" or "tall" or "hungry" for "black".
You can have, fat, tall, hungry people. However you can't adequately describe someone as "the fat" or "the tall" or "the hungry". You need to quantify it with "person" or "people" or cat or something.
We'd be unlikely to say "He's a fat" and leave it there. We'd quantify it with "bastard" or similar term.
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 14:10
I thought I'd vent...
Dirtydog fucked me off for criticising moving a spam thread from members, APoL is continuing to fuck me off for being an insecure knob-head and I am starting to get suspicious as to WHY he gets under my skin, I'm slightly interested that gloop is here to hold the green banner and uhhhhhh..... my internet addiction is bad
dirtydog
28-09-2007, 14:18
http://i21.tinypic.com/2ptt8nd.gif
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 14:21
http://i21.tinypic.com/2ptt8nd.gif
:mad: Yes you raise that fucking eyebrow :D
dirtydog
28-09-2007, 14:25
Yes I criticised you for moving a thread out of the 'private' forum on your own initiative without getting the okay first from LeChuck, after he had clearly told us all not to do that... are you still going on about that? :scratchy:
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 14:28
Yes I criticised you for moving a thread out of the 'private' forum on your own initiative without getting the okay first from LeChuck, after he had clearly told us all not to do that... are you still going on about that? :scratchy:
Obviously so.
I made a decision, which turned out to be okay. Did giving your 'vote' to get it moved not suggest it was a democratic decision rather one that you were appealing for LeChuck to authorise?
dirtydog
28-09-2007, 14:31
Obviously so.
I made a decision, which turned out to be okay. Did giving your 'vote' to get it moved not suggest it was a democratic decision rather one that you were appealing for LeChuck to authorise?
I'm disappointed at your arrogance surrounding this issue :( If someone asks you to do something then it is rude to ignore it. Doubly so if you are a moderator on their forum carrying out their wishes.
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 14:33
I'm disappointed at your arrogance surrounding this issue :( If someone asks you to do something then it is rude to ignore it. Doubly so if you are a moderator on their forum carrying out their wishes.
You got me there, but I'm still pissed
dirtydog
28-09-2007, 14:36
You got me there, but I'm still pissed
You have either
a) been drinking
or
b) adopted an awful Americanism which means pissed off
Only one of these is forgivable :eek:
ChemicalKicks
28-09-2007, 14:38
The two of you need your heads banging together.:mad:
;)
dirtydog
28-09-2007, 14:38
Does a day go by without mods arguing publicly with each other around here? :rofl:
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 14:41
Public arguments = democracy
And besides, I LIKE public arguments. They are better than pretending everything is cool, and this way everyone can be included - even if CK is a chromosexual
ChemicalKicks
28-09-2007, 14:46
Public arguments = democracy
And besides, I LIKE public arguments. They are better than pretending everything is cool, and this way everyone can be included - even if CK is a chromosexual
Your a baldyperfectcircleheadmetrosexualislamophobe:p
ChemicalKicks
28-09-2007, 14:46
Public arguments = democracy
even if CK is a chromosexual
Whats a chromosexual?
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 14:49
Your a baldyperfectcircleheadmetrosexualislamophobe:p
Agreed, and you have shit grammar, fuck face
ChemicalKicks
28-09-2007, 14:53
Agreed, and you have shit grammar, fuck face
Agreed,[what the fuck you cant use a (,) followed by (and)] and you have shit grammar, fuck face [no full stop]
What do I know though.
Grammar NATZE
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 21:47
We've been down this road via numerous conversations in PM.
You've admitted that it is you yourself that are harbouring these insecurities and it's for you alone to deal with them.
I'm not insecure about anything thanks.
I have a great quality of life, a wonderful family and some of the best people around to call friends.
Perhaps you should put yourself under the microscope before picking up the loudhailer and badmouthing others?
If you're so secure, why did your riposte involve lecturing me to do exactly what I've suggested, which you've conveniently excluded from what you quoted?
As far as the PMs go I have admitted that I WAS insecure. Which is true. But the question remains as to why you behave like some kind of robot on here...
So you're not insecure about anything? What anything?
I have tickets to the Sex Pistols gig.
Nur nur nurrrrrr :VIRII:
Life is good.
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 22:19
I have tickets to the Sex Pistols gig.
Nur nur nurrrrrr :VIRII:
Life is good.
I noticed, you takin' me?
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 22:43
I think I'd just like to apologise to APoL about all.... actually, FUCK IT.
CONFESS!!!!
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 22:46
CBS, does posting in the largest font available make you feel more important, or that anyone will pay extra attention to your post?
The short answer is, it won't.
I'm sorry. It's a serious issue, therefore I selected a serious size.
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 22:51
What you fail to realise, is that you missed two words from that sentence.
It should have read.
Unfortunately you're number one in a field of one in that respect.
You realise that 'serious issue' post was sarcasm... seriously, lighten the fuck up. You're so serious. Everything is fucking serious.
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 22:53
Okay, one thing that is pissing me off is that you're so serious about yourself. Why?
Starkweather
28-09-2007, 23:00
I'm far from it. I don't venture many details out about myself, but that doesn't make me "serious".
Say something funny and I'll laugh. Say something serious and I'll respond in kind.
No, about yourself. You're treating this thing like a serious fucking issue, saying shit like
Again you misjudge the situation, and this is at the root of your troubles.
To any criticism or questioning of your behaviour. It's stiff. Every time someone says something about you, you have to come back with a 'witty' answer.
Fonejacker is about to start on CH4 :visage:
I remember hearing that there will be a second series, not sure when though. I may have heard it from the Wiki page?
You mean you don't know (http://kayvannovak.com/) :eek:
ChemicalKicks
28-09-2007, 23:35
Seriously your all being dicks, except Ben and anyone else that has posted in this thread except CBS and APoL.
Stop getting on like knobs.:)
Hang on, that wasnt clear. The above was directed at CBS & APoL as they are acting like knobs.
Bemused that he didn't include you in his list of 'knobs' LeChuck?
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