Discussion in 'Technology' started by dirtydog, Aug 20, 2008.
The 300GB Velociraptor is the quickest I believe.
Found others with nvidia cards having the same problem with TDU...
It seems it probably is the card to blame, even though every other game and benchmark runs without a problem. TDU seems to stress the card in a particular way which most other programs don't.
Doesn't surprise me after the whole 'oh btw every 8600GT M we ever made is actually broken, our bad' issue.
And more... http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636192
Some people solved it by turning AA or HDR off, others by underclocking the card slightly.
:shake: gotta love the quality control on nvidia cards / drivers eh! (I am using the latest WHQL drivers as well)
Or is it actually all of these which are affected?
4870x2 is the best, best bang for buck is either the 4870, or the GTX216, unless you can get a cheap GTX280, i got mine for £240 inc vat which is about as good bang for buck as you can get. Dont bother with DDR3 at the moment, it offers no performance increase, although if you are going nehalim, then you will have no option.
As for artifacting, is your case cooling up to scratch dirtydog? The card you have dosent expel air out of the case, along with your overclock, things will be a bit toasty in there. What is the GPU temperature? (check with rivatuner). Shouldnt ever be above 80 even at load, but you can always change the fan profile speed in rivatuner up from default, to about 40% without affecting noise (think default speed is 26%).
Yeah I said earlier in the thread - GPU temps are fine, usually 55-60 under load. It crashed even when I had the fan on 100% (which is very VERY noisy btw).
Case cooling is fine, temps are a red herring I believe. It crashed within ten minutes the other morning when it was cold in my room (no heating on, frosty outside) yet other times, with my heating on full blast, near 30c room temp I can play for an hour and it doesn't crash... so go figure. There doesn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason to it.
If the card was overheating then logically it would fuck up in 3dmark or other games too, not just TDU.
I've now done what someone in one of those threads I linked to recommended, which is to downclock the GPU + memory slightly, so I'll see if it crashes again. The performance in-game is no different at that speed, that I can notice. I get 60+ fps the whole time with everything maxed out at 1280x1024.
Those graphical errors dont look like normal corruption, overheating you would get sort of sparklies, or for the core, you would get a different kind of corruption.
Id send the card back.
I don't see the point in sending it back unless it gets worse, because it happens only rarely in TDU and never in any other application (YET). If I returned it under the 7-day cooling off period, at best it would cost me the special delivery fee (not cheap) which I wouldn't get back, and then I'd have to buy a different card altogether because this one has sold out. I wouldn't get my postage refunded because the problem is not easily reproducible. And there's no guarantee the next (nvidia) card wouldn't have the same issue, if it is a driver problem.
If the card gets worse then it is warrantied so I can return it either to the retailer or manufacturer then.
Have you checked to see if it is a known problem in Test Drive?
Well it seems a number of other nvidia card owners have experienced very similar problems, with their 9600GT and 8800GTs.
Supposedly the game was written very much for ATI/AMD cards first and foremost.
I must have played games with this card for perhaps 15 hours or so now, and in all that time the only problems have been TDU freezing up about three times (in perhaps five hours of total play).
Possibly a bit bland for my tastes (I know I'm not the one buying it)
If its just one game, then it probably is just that, ive not played that game much on my pc, think i got fed up after 10 minutes.
My Case ----> Lian Li V1010b with lian li stealthed drive cover.
Lian-Li, for the inner brand whore in every geek.
I've emailed (enoted?) ebuyer with a full description of the graphics card problem, along with URLs to photos of the fault and asked if they will give a refund even though they will almost certainly not be able to reproduce the fault themselves. I expect they'll say no but we'll see. Otherwise I'd likely be out the cost of returning it (thick end of £10 at special delivery rates) and 20% of £77, so I'd lose about £25 in all.
Not sure what card I'd get either, but I wouldn't risk another 9600GT in case it's a design flaw rather than just a duff card.
By the way, downclocking the card a bit seems to have solved the problem. I played for hours yesterday without a freeze, and I also left the game running a replay of a race overnight and in the morning it was still running.
Quelle fucking surprise! ebuyer replied with a generic form reply and completely ignored my actual enote :headbang:
If I return it, it is entirely predictable what will happen: they'll declare it to be working perfectly and refuse a full refund. Bollocks, I'll hang onto it and just RMA it to XFX if it deteriorates.
XFX customer support from what ive read are fucking shite if you ever need to rma something.
Hopefully I won't need to find out.
For some reason, Windows and 3dmark think my CPU speed is 3.33GHz. I am actually running it at 333 x 9 = 3GHz so is it just multiplying the FSB by what it wrongly assumes the multiplier is set at, rather than actually doing a test to see what speed it's really running at?
I've got the urge to buy a faster processor like the Q9450 but dunno if I should wait for prices to come down, as they seem to have shot up in the last week or so. I don't mind pushing the boat out a bit but don't wanna get ripped off either.
Although benches suggest clock for clock, the Q6600 is little slower but is significantly cheaper. But then it is 65nm and guzzles power compared to the 45nm part. Ho hum :chin:
Then there's the SSE4.1 on the 45nm chips which 65nm doesn't have.
E2180 running at 3GHz.
Truth be told it seems happy running every program I've tried so far, even Crysis runs at a good framerate.
I'm not sure if the small level of L2 cache is making the system less responsive than it could be with more though. Some things take a few seconds while the CPU is maxed out which I would have hoped would be instant or near instant. eg. opening the nvidia control panel, even while it is in the RAM (no HDD activity) takes about four seconds.
Actually perhaps someone here with an nvidia card and an Intel CPU with more L2 cache could say how long it takes to open on their machine?
If you want a new CPU i'd wait for Core i7 to arrive properly. You won't be able to get one without replacing almost everything you just bought but it should drive prices down on Core 2...
Takes about half a second on mine.
Q6600 @3.7GHz with 4GB RAM - that's with all four cores pretty much maxed out running BOINC.
I thought the consensus was that i7's arrival would actually not mean prices of Core 2 would fall. Similar to how the 65nm chips haven't fallen in price since the arrival of 45nm, in fact the 45nm chips are often the same price or cheaper as their older, inferior equivalents.
Yeah that's what I would have expected. I dunno what it's doing to take so long, does it really need four seconds of a 3GHz dual core CPU's undivided attention to open a properties window?
I hardly think so
As far as CPUs go, I've been looking into it for the media machine I'm going to be building and I still think the Q6600 is hard to beat for value for money. They have four cores, overclock bloody well and have a decent amount of L2 cache. Yes they use a bit more power than the 45nm chips but I still think they're the dog's bollocks.
Are you using the stock cooler cos I'm concerned whether it would be adequate. I wouldn't go mad on the overclocking but would at least want to run it at 333 (or 1333) or 3GHz. Reading reviews the Intel coolers seem to take a lot of criticism.
The one that came with my E2180 seems adequate for overclocking that chip but I gather the quad cores in particular use a lot of power and get rather hot.
I'm using a Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme to cool the 3.7GHz one but I've had a couple running at over 3GHz on Intel coolers. Most of the Q6600s will do 3GHz on stock volts so the Intel coolers should be more than adequate.
If you want to make sure, get an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. You can pick them up for less than £20 and I've had Q6600s running at 3.5GHz under them.
Freezer 7 Pro FTW
I use the Freezer 64 on mine